Congressman Alan Grayson (D-FL), who has made a name for himself going after the Federal Reserve, warned Americans about the GOP plan for health care. During an after-hours House floor speech Tuesday night Grayson said the GOP health care plans consists of: Part one, don’t get sick. Part two, if you do get sick, die quickly. “That’s right,” Grayson said, “the Republicans want you to die quickly if you get sick….This is what the Republicans want you to do.”
House Republicans quickly jumped on the remarks calling on Grayson to apologize. He did not.
Typical demonrat tactic made by an immature plebe.
Grayson is a douchebag.
This scumbag needs to be sent back to his shyster shack in November 2010. Wish I could vote against him but I’m out of his district. Wake up, Orlando! Is this the kind of jerk you want to represent you? We have Robert Weasel Wexler down here. He’s just as bad but then again this is the People’s Republic of South Florida. Thought you still had some common sense up there. Hopefully the whole state hasn’t turned Bolshevik yet at least. Dump Grayson!!!
hooray for Grayson!!! finally someone speaking THE TRUTH about the GOP SCUM. Grayson shouldn’t apologize for anything. the GOP needs to apologize to all Americans.
and to hammer, RM and Drcheckmate, YOU KNOW HE’S RIGHT. but all you can do is p*ss and moan like all good GOP scum without offering any inciteful comeback. what is the GOP plan after all? please enlighten us all……………i think Grayson sums it up quite succinctly.
Hey DenverLib –
How about you go join the liberal circle jerk in DC and go fuck yourself?! I’m sure you can find someone to toss your salad, perhaps Barney Frank? Of course, you’ll have to get in line, since he’s quite popular right now. You libs just plain suck and if you had even a few brain cells, you would realize that your health care plans suck and your party sucks even more. Fuck off, asshole…….
You have a foul mouth. But what really stands out is what a low IQ you have
wow bj, what intelligent response from another worthless conservative.
so you want to go down the road of childish vulgar insults, eh? normally i wouldn’t oblige since you are not worth a dribble of my piss. but i just can’t resist…
do you lick your mother’s filthy moldy pussy with that inbred rethuglican mouth of yours?
Alan thanks for speaking the truth. Please don’t apologize. Continue to stand
up for the middle class and poor. You are doing a great job.
i fail to understand how reforming healthcare so all Americans can be covered, so no American is charged exorbitant premiums, so no American is denied due to pre-existing conditions or altogether dropped by their insurance company sucks. again, how does that suck?
i guess the angry, hateful and clearly violent crowd like BJ don’t give a shit about anyone other than themselves. and telling me to go “fuck” myself is emblematic of how the debate over healthcare has degraded to ruthless, childish insults rather than substantive arguments over the merits of the healthcare reform bill. my apologies for not using more restraint and treading through BJ’s gutter…
I don’t know if I can make this short but I will try:
First financially; If the government is already strapped for cash where will they get the money to pay for this? Taking money from Medicare would only create a bigger issue with Medicare underfunding and would not come close to covering the costs of a public plan. Raising taxes is not an acceptable option, not only from a conservative stand point but because a tax hike would have to cover everyone but the very poor to try to pay for the plan, and it still would do very little, and it would further cripple our economy. Also pulling money from defense spending would be irresponsible and would also do little to help.
What about how decisions are made into who gets what care and how far will the money go. With a budget that is already over extended there will have to be a priority on who gets care and what care they will get. Death panels may be taking it to the edge but will the government be looking to cover the young and potentially productive or will it extend itself in making sure the elderly remain comfortable and healthy?
Even the quality and permanence of the care is in question. Do you remember when Obama said maybe surgery to relieve the pain is not necessary and instead pain pills could be used to control the pain, not an exact quote but close. Does that sound comforting? Why get a surgery that could take the pain away forever when instead here are some pills that may temporarily make the pain disappear until the next dose is needed, thanks but no thanks.
Lastly, why would you want government to enter into your private life, and it will how could it not? Any insurer has some guidelines that make insurance more expensive, such as smoking or a risky lifestyle. The government would be no different and the bureaucracy, which would expand dramatically and suck up more money, could jump into your life to make sure you are taking as many “preventative” steps as possible so you don’t end up needing care. Again, no thanks I like having a choice and if I make a bad decision and pay for later then so be it.
Basically a public option looks shiny on the outside but when you look at the gears that would try to turn it, the plan is found wanting. Private may have issues but at least you get something out of it, public would be flash and mirrors with no substance to provide any real change.
“If the government is already strapped for cash where will they get the money to pay for this?”
The federal budget is on an unsustainable path, primarily because of the rising cost of health care. Medicare is the single largest entity on the entire federal budget. It’d be shortsighted to say that we can’t afford reform healthcare because of its startup costs when its long-term costs are clearly the problem here. But don’t take my word for it…read what the CBO has written on the subject:
http://www.cbo.gov/publications/collections/health.cfm
“What about how decisions are made into who gets what care and how far will the money go.”
You have a point here, but there is no way around this problem. We do this everyday with Medicare; an independent, non-partisan body of doctors and other health researchers (the Medicare Payment Advisory Commission) make evidence-based recommendations on what to reimburse and what not to. Just because we can’t cover everything doesn’t mean we shouldn’t cover basic things. We have a postal service that doesn’t cover nearly as many services as FedEx does, which is why most people are happy with at least basic services available for everyone at their local post office and more sophisticated services available to those who can afford it through FedEx or other similar companies.
“Even the quality and permanence of the care is in question.”
No one would be stopping you and your doctor from getting as many surgical procedures as you want, as long as you can afford it. No matter what you (as an individual) think, though, we know from decades of health services research that, for a variety of reasons, physicians and patients often engage in unnecessary procedures that have proven not to make a difference to the patient’s health. In countries like the UK and Germany, it’s not uncommon for people who still insist on all the latest and greatest procedures to pay for what the government won’t cover through private supplementary insurance coverage, which many people on Medicare already do, those who can afford it.
“Lastly, why would you want government to enter into your private life, and it will how could it not?”
I can’t understand how you think anyone is taking choices away from you by offering you (not mandating you to be on) a public insurance plan. It’s the same choice Joe Schmoe from Springfield, MA has between going to a prestigious school like MIT and a cheap state school like UMass Boston. If you can afford the private option, then more power to you. But is that reason to oppose a public option that others not as wealthy as you can afford.
I just want to say: DO NOT APOLOGIZE!!! The GOP has been saying for months that we are trying to kill people with health care reform…and until they apologize for all the killing talk you shouldn’t either.
Alan Grayson is your typical liberal idiot that “Don’t get it”, money is not free, get it thru your thick head….WE AND I MEAN “WE THE PEOPLE” can’t afford your wreckless plan…get over it….
Good for Grayson, but a more apt accusation might be something like calling the Republicans, and their corporate owners, baby killers – since our current train wreck of a health care system is the driving force behind our shamefully high infant mortality rates. Baby killers.
Hey Denverlib there IS a Republican plan. It was introduced in the House. It calls for a ban on pre-existing condition exclusion from insurance coverage, encouraging competition among insurance providers by eliminating the state restrictions that now prohibit it and MOST importantly medical malpractice (tort) reform. But Pelosi and Hoyer wouldn’t even allow it to be debated on the floor for partisan political reasons. So Grayson is full of shit with what he said and so are you with your previous post.
hammer, that is a remarkably obtuse response. the dems have conceded nearly everything to the rethugs in the healthcare reform bill but Mitch McConnell said it doesn’t matter what the dems present the rethugs will not vote for it even if it has every provision the rethugs want. that’s because the rethugs have no intention (and never have) of negotiating with the dems ON ANYTHING – they want all the power and control of all the legislation so they can be the gloryhounds. it’s hysterically hypocritical for the rethugs to accuse the dems of partisanship. incidentally there is no empirical evidence to support the idea that tort reform will do anything to make health insurance affordable or accessible to everyone; and eliminating state restrictions only benefits the insurance companies b/c it will open the door for those vampires to move into states with lax regulations and abandon states with actual regulations. this doesn’t encourage competition, it encourages more profiteering by the insurance companies. so Grayson is right, and courageous to stand up against the rethugs. and for all the hateful angry rhetoric being spewed by rethugs toward the dems, pelosi, reid, obama, etc. etc., i find it laughable that the rethug’s have their little panties in a wad about Grayson’s remarks. what a bunch of pussies.
The ban on excluding people based on pre-existing conditions is a fantastic idea, and (thank god) everyone seems to agree on it. Indeed, there are several elements of reform that nobody’s arguing: prohibiting cancellation of coverage (except for evidence of fraud), providing a market place for insurers to sell qualifying plans on a national exchange, providing a tax credit for low-income individuals and families to help pay insurance premiums, etc.
The problem with the Republican proposal is that it lacks credibility; it lacks substance, it lacks depth. Only people not familiar with the medical literature would believe that malpractice reform would be anything more than a spit in the ocean of the problem of rising healthcare costs. But if that’s really what Republicans want, I’m sure it’ll make it into the final bill, because Democrats always concede these kinds of things,…and Republicans still end up not voting for them, anyway.
denverlib is right. we saw this happen with the recovery package. Republicans demanded taking out funds for cleaning up the national mall after the Inauguration, they demanded taking out funds for family planning/HIV and STD prevention, they demanded more tax cuts, they demanded cuts to Head Start…and Democrats conceded all of these…Republicans didn’t vote for the bill, anyway. Republicans make great media personalities, they’re very entertaining and quite charismatic, but their numbers never seem to add up; they do best when they’re allowed to remain as vague as possible.
Don’t know whether you’re getting this propaganda bullshit from MoveOn, Salon or MediaMatters. But nothing you said in that post is even remotely accurate or logical. One of the primary factors in the cost of healthcare insurance is frivolous lawsuits by shysters. My state of Florida is probably the most litigious in the nation. Even if the doctor/healthcare provider wins, the attorney fees to defend against it is enormous. I personally know 3 doctors here in Florida who abandoned their private practice and became consultants because of the cost of malpractice insurane.
The democraps have conceded NOTHING, NOTHING AT ALL to the “rethugs” as you call them. This bullshit about not allowing insurance company competition is right out of your leftist playbook as is denying the effect of tort reform. You apparently are a hopeless crusader for a socialist/Stalinist system of healthcare rationing, full government control and leftist bureaucratic decisions on who’s worth healthcare and who isn’t.
and you get your propaganda bullshit from where exactly? newsmax? the skousenite glenn beck? the washington times? fox nation?
i won’t take your word that you personally know 3 doctors (or one or ten, who really gives a shit) who have abandoned their practices. you don’t seem to be a reliable source of information and have offered nothing of actual substance.
As for your claims about tort reform, it’s been debunked (and you don’t need to come back with articles written by Krauthammer or any other bloviating right winger, i’ve already read their drivel)
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/163667.php#
http://washingtonindependent.com/55535/tort-reform-unlikely-to-cut-health-care-costs
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/08/tort-reform-wont-fix-healthcare-ctd-1.html#
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hiltzik1-2009oct01,0,7502095.column
i’ll have to review my “leftist playbook” for more articles debunking the tort reform myth … if you so require
and if you really believe democrats have conceded nothing to the rethugs then you are either living in a parallel universe, or you are in deep denial (as many rethugs are… poor baby)
the dems already conceded single-payer and are close to conceding the public option. I think Mike Enzi (Rep on the Senate Finance Committee) summed it up best: “It’s not where I get them [Democrats] to compromise, it’s what I get them to leave out”
http://www.billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/wyoming/article_db4d1146-91f9-11de-bf23-001cc4c002e0.html
You can’t talk facts and logic to a “progressive”, it doesn’t penetrate their tin foil hats!