Comments on: Debt, Interest Rates, and Monetary Trends http://wallstreetpit.com/9729-debt-interest-rates-and-monetary-trends Wed, 08 Feb 2012 22:13:42 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: j knott http://wallstreetpit.com/9729-debt-interest-rates-and-monetary-trends#comment-63681 j knott Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:14:27 +0000 http://wallstreetpit.com/?p=9729#comment-63681 the problem with the construct is that the rates are only zero for financial institutions. the banks and investment banks have "captured" all the capital funds and "made"profits, but the actual capital released to the public is enormously expensive on the retail market. no consumer is paying nearly zero for his mortgage loan or his credit card debt. the banks as the intermediaries are the culprits in the drama of economic paralysis. the system has to crash to allow a new order and rule to come to the fore. we have not felt the pain the it will take to re-tool the world economy. no-one wants to self destruct, but the government and the banking system have all "drunk the kool-aid" already. the posion has to do its work. the problem with the construct is that the rates are only zero for financial institutions.

the banks and investment banks have “captured” all the capital funds and “made”profits, but the actual capital released to the public is enormously expensive on the retail market. no consumer is paying nearly zero for his mortgage loan or his credit card debt.

the banks as the intermediaries are the culprits in the drama of economic paralysis.

the system has to crash to allow a new order and rule to come to the fore. we have not felt the pain the it will take to re-tool the world economy.

no-one wants to self destruct, but the government and the banking system have all “drunk the kool-aid” already. the posion has to do its work.

]]> By: KingofthePaupers http://wallstreetpit.com/9729-debt-interest-rates-and-monetary-trends#comment-55521 KingofthePaupers Mon, 24 Aug 2009 02:18:01 +0000 http://wallstreetpit.com/?p=9729#comment-55521 "Volcker raised interest rates to 20% effectively killing the concept of Usury." The bankssters teach that usury is excessive interest but Ezekiel mentions the wicked if he who exacts usury OR excessive interest. Ezekiel knew they were not the same and people who think they are the same have been fooled. From my http://johnturmel.com/poembibl.htm Ezekiel declared that usury and interest, Could have a different effect, there was a simple test. If interest demanded is of something that can breed, Such interest is payable and not sin I concede. So if you lend a hundred head and ask to get two more, That might not be excessive lending that He would abhor. But if you gain all of the calves and he still owes you some, That would be judged excessive, that is more than maximum. And if the interest is on some silver or some gold, It's usury because there are no babies to behold! It's interest if principal can breed to multiply, It's usury if principal cannot so classify. Jct: So usury creates a mort-gage death-gamble among borrowers trying to all come up with Principal + Interest when they all borrowed only the Principal. Call this the error that fools the whole of mankind into permitting the death-gamble to be inflicted on borrowers because excessive death is bad but a little bit of death is okay? “Volcker raised interest rates to 20% effectively killing the concept of Usury.”

The bankssters teach that usury is excessive interest but Ezekiel mentions the wicked if he who exacts usury OR excessive interest. Ezekiel knew they were not the same and people who think they are the same have been fooled.

From my http://johnturmel.com/poembibl.htm

Ezekiel declared that usury and interest,
Could have a different effect, there was a simple test.
If interest demanded is of something that can breed,
Such interest is payable and not sin I concede.

So if you lend a hundred head and ask to get two more,
That might not be excessive lending that He would abhor.
But if you gain all of the calves and he still owes you some,
That would be judged excessive, that is more than maximum.

And if the interest is on some silver or some gold,
It’s usury because there are no babies to behold!
It’s interest if principal can breed to multiply,
It’s usury if principal cannot so classify.

Jct: So usury creates a mort-gage death-gamble among borrowers trying to all come up with Principal + Interest when they all borrowed only the Principal.
Call this the error that fools the whole of mankind into permitting the death-gamble to be inflicted on borrowers because excessive death is bad but a little bit of death is okay?

]]> By: Mike http://wallstreetpit.com/9729-debt-interest-rates-and-monetary-trends#comment-55480 Mike Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:00:43 +0000 http://wallstreetpit.com/?p=9729#comment-55480 Thanks for putting all of that together. It is quite informative. OK, I'll be honest, I'm going to need to reread it at least several more times before I understand it all ;-) I suspect I'll remain somewhat confused about how a US investor can best preserve their wealth in real terms in this type of environment. Any suggestions regarding the mix of asset classes and ratios? Thanks for putting all of that together. It is quite informative. OK, I’ll be honest, I’m going to need to reread it at least several more times before I understand it all ;-)

I suspect I’ll remain somewhat confused about how a US investor can best preserve their wealth in real terms in this type of environment. Any suggestions regarding the mix of asset classes and ratios?

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