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		<title>By: Deefburger</title>
		<link>http://wallstreetpit.com/12705-the-trouble-with-a-gold-standard#comment-86164</link>
		<dc:creator>Deefburger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just equating dollars to gold is not enough.  The elimination of Fractional Reserve Banking, central bank, monetary monopoly, must also go.  The only &quot;danger&quot; is that the deflation of gold will occur until the market realizes parity with supply.

But gold itself will not be required as coin.  It is the unit of account that matters, not the actual presence of gold in the account.  Any other commodity can be held in reserve, so long as it is not debt.  The standard of measure of value, is based on the value of gold, but any commodity, (Silver, Platinum, Paladium, Uranium, Oil, Gas, Real Estate), can be used as Capital.

This is how Capitalism Works.  Debt is not Capital, it is the opposite of Capital.  Capital meets Debt, Debt disappears, Capital Remains.  This is Capitalism.

Every Empire in History that started down the Debt-ism Economic trail, the one we are on now, has failed completely and without exception.  All of them had Central Control of the monetary system.  All of them debased (that means removing the standard of value) their currency.

We cannot remove the value from the money, replace it with debt, circulate it in the economy, and call it progress because it appears to work for a few years.  It&#039;s not working now, and History has shown that it won&#039;t.

Sound money, the kind that rings when you drop it on the table, is what we need to have a free society and thriving economy.


How much beer will a $10 bill buy in 2020?  You can&#039;t answer the question, you have no unit of account that has value over time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just equating dollars to gold is not enough.  The elimination of Fractional Reserve Banking, central bank, monetary monopoly, must also go.  The only &#8220;danger&#8221; is that the deflation of gold will occur until the market realizes parity with supply.</p>
<p>But gold itself will not be required as coin.  It is the unit of account that matters, not the actual presence of gold in the account.  Any other commodity can be held in reserve, so long as it is not debt.  The standard of measure of value, is based on the value of gold, but any commodity, (Silver, Platinum, Paladium, Uranium, Oil, Gas, Real Estate), can be used as Capital.</p>
<p>This is how Capitalism Works.  Debt is not Capital, it is the opposite of Capital.  Capital meets Debt, Debt disappears, Capital Remains.  This is Capitalism.</p>
<p>Every Empire in History that started down the Debt-ism Economic trail, the one we are on now, has failed completely and without exception.  All of them had Central Control of the monetary system.  All of them debased (that means removing the standard of value) their currency.</p>
<p>We cannot remove the value from the money, replace it with debt, circulate it in the economy, and call it progress because it appears to work for a few years.  It&#8217;s not working now, and History has shown that it won&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Sound money, the kind that rings when you drop it on the table, is what we need to have a free society and thriving economy.</p>
<p>How much beer will a $10 bill buy in 2020?  You can&#8217;t answer the question, you have no unit of account that has value over time!</p>
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		<title>By: "vivus spartacus"</title>
		<link>http://wallstreetpit.com/12705-the-trouble-with-a-gold-standard#comment-85495</link>
		<dc:creator>"vivus spartacus"</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 06:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL! What a pile of tripe. What is even more absurd is that Mr. Picerno alleges receiving a B.A. in “journalism / history” from Rutgers University in 1983. Apparently “journalism / history” is not exactly the same thing as ‘actual’ history, as otherwise Mr. Picerno would be aware of the fact that when the Roman Empire split, and the Western Empire chose to debase its currency, western civilization subsequently slid into the Dark Ages, whereas the Eastern (Byzantine) Empire which remained on the gold standard, actually grew and flourished for another Thousand Years until it also decided to debase it currency, and the rest as they say, is history. Apparently just not “journalism / history”. 

The fact that gold has been universally used as Money and a safe, reliable means of storing and protecting One’s wealth for literally Thousands of Years, stands in direct rebuttal to Mr. Picerno’s hollow assertions, referring to the gold standard as: “

As alluring as that might be in concept, in practice it would be unworkable in the long run.” 
So while actual history, and the public domain is literally filled with facts and evidence to refute Mr. Picerno’s Keynesian Kaleidoscope of Krap, I guess as long as one can literally talk out one’s a** on subject matters even though lacking any formal study, training and legitimately recognized credentials in such, and nevertheless still manage to get paid, THAT apparently is all that matters. 

It is better to remain silent and merely thought a fool, then to speak and remove all doubt. Abraham Lincoln



We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Benjamin Franklin


Leviticus 19:36; Deuteronomy 25:15-16
I John 4:6


Wisdom is the principal thing; Therefore get wisdom. And in all your
getting, Get understanding. Proverbs 4:7


&quot;vivus spartacus&quot;
All Rights Reserved


It is the common fate of the indolent to see their rights become a
prey to the active. The condition upon which God hath given liberty
to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude
is at once the consequence of his crime and the punishment of his
guilt. John Philpot Curran (1750–1817)



Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have
found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be
imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted
with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are
prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.
Frederick Douglass, &quot;If There Is No Struggle, There Is No Progress&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL! What a pile of tripe. What is even more absurd is that Mr. Picerno alleges receiving a B.A. in “journalism / history” from Rutgers University in 1983. Apparently “journalism / history” is not exactly the same thing as ‘actual’ history, as otherwise Mr. Picerno would be aware of the fact that when the Roman Empire split, and the Western Empire chose to debase its currency, western civilization subsequently slid into the Dark Ages, whereas the Eastern (Byzantine) Empire which remained on the gold standard, actually grew and flourished for another Thousand Years until it also decided to debase it currency, and the rest as they say, is history. Apparently just not “journalism / history”. </p>
<p>The fact that gold has been universally used as Money and a safe, reliable means of storing and protecting One’s wealth for literally Thousands of Years, stands in direct rebuttal to Mr. Picerno’s hollow assertions, referring to the gold standard as: “</p>
<p>As alluring as that might be in concept, in practice it would be unworkable in the long run.”<br />
So while actual history, and the public domain is literally filled with facts and evidence to refute Mr. Picerno’s Keynesian Kaleidoscope of Krap, I guess as long as one can literally talk out one’s a** on subject matters even though lacking any formal study, training and legitimately recognized credentials in such, and nevertheless still manage to get paid, THAT apparently is all that matters. </p>
<p>It is better to remain silent and merely thought a fool, then to speak and remove all doubt. Abraham Lincoln</p>
<p>We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.<br />
Benjamin Franklin</p>
<p>Leviticus 19:36; Deuteronomy 25:15-16<br />
I John 4:6</p>
<p>Wisdom is the principal thing; Therefore get wisdom. And in all your<br />
getting, Get understanding. Proverbs 4:7</p>
<p>&#8220;vivus spartacus&#8221;<br />
All Rights Reserved</p>
<p>It is the common fate of the indolent to see their rights become a<br />
prey to the active. The condition upon which God hath given liberty<br />
to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude<br />
is at once the consequence of his crime and the punishment of his<br />
guilt. John Philpot Curran (1750–1817)</p>
<p>Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have<br />
found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be<br />
imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted<br />
with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are<br />
prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.<br />
Frederick Douglass, &#8220;If There Is No Struggle, There Is No Progress&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Nuno</title>
		<link>http://wallstreetpit.com/12705-the-trouble-with-a-gold-standard#comment-85440</link>
		<dc:creator>Nuno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 02:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without the gold standard people have no idea what is the right price of things</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without the gold standard people have no idea what is the right price of things</p>
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		<title>By: John Smith</title>
		<link>http://wallstreetpit.com/12705-the-trouble-with-a-gold-standard#comment-85387</link>
		<dc:creator>John Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems that to many people believe that some how we are different then the people were a 100 years ago. I have this discussion with a friend quite often. He always insists that what happened 100 years ago could never happen again.  That is the argument that is made against a gold standard. That now it is not possible because the value of gold would have rise significantly. But that is exactly what this means that gold and silver and just about everything else is way undervalued compared to how much money is floating out there. The game of fiat currencies will be end sooner then later. I believe the first to fall is going to be Japan or England and everyone will follow there after.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that to many people believe that some how we are different then the people were a 100 years ago. I have this discussion with a friend quite often. He always insists that what happened 100 years ago could never happen again.  That is the argument that is made against a gold standard. That now it is not possible because the value of gold would have rise significantly. But that is exactly what this means that gold and silver and just about everything else is way undervalued compared to how much money is floating out there. The game of fiat currencies will be end sooner then later. I believe the first to fall is going to be Japan or England and everyone will follow there after.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://wallstreetpit.com/12705-the-trouble-with-a-gold-standard#comment-85367</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A central bank does not have to have a value of gold equal to its monetary base.  Theoretically it does not need to hold any gold.  It merely needs to allow the market to tell it when to increase liquidity and when to decrease it.  As long as a central bank does this, the market price of gold will always remain between the central banks bid and ask price.  Thereby allowing the market to handle all transactions for gold.  A link to gold is the best choice we have to ensure a paper currency fulfills its role as a store of value, medium of exchange and maybe most importantly, a unit of account.  It is this third role that is ignored under our current fiat system.  The global market place needs a unit of account by which to contract business over time.  Gold is that North Star.  With a fiat system, it is not the gold that changes in value, but the markets valuing of the currency that changes.  Right now, the market is screaming for excess liquidity to be drained from the system.  If it doesn&#039;t happen (or if demand doesn&#039;t mop it up), inflation in all prices will follow.  Just look at all the excess liquidity making a mess of Asian asset prices now.  When is it good to debase a currency??  Yes, economic problems happen under a gold standard, buy not due to a stable unit of account!!!  Fiscal and trade policy can trash an economy even with a stable currency.  It does no good to add a third problem to the mix when the first two get screwed up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A central bank does not have to have a value of gold equal to its monetary base.  Theoretically it does not need to hold any gold.  It merely needs to allow the market to tell it when to increase liquidity and when to decrease it.  As long as a central bank does this, the market price of gold will always remain between the central banks bid and ask price.  Thereby allowing the market to handle all transactions for gold.  A link to gold is the best choice we have to ensure a paper currency fulfills its role as a store of value, medium of exchange and maybe most importantly, a unit of account.  It is this third role that is ignored under our current fiat system.  The global market place needs a unit of account by which to contract business over time.  Gold is that North Star.  With a fiat system, it is not the gold that changes in value, but the markets valuing of the currency that changes.  Right now, the market is screaming for excess liquidity to be drained from the system.  If it doesn&#8217;t happen (or if demand doesn&#8217;t mop it up), inflation in all prices will follow.  Just look at all the excess liquidity making a mess of Asian asset prices now.  When is it good to debase a currency??  Yes, economic problems happen under a gold standard, buy not due to a stable unit of account!!!  Fiscal and trade policy can trash an economy even with a stable currency.  It does no good to add a third problem to the mix when the first two get screwed up.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Linzy</title>
		<link>http://wallstreetpit.com/12705-the-trouble-with-a-gold-standard#comment-85363</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Linzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a self-regulated market, bubbles cannot last long before they are liquidated and absorbed. Panics, while still possible, are not devastating as this author tries to imagine they would be. If the simple tenants of monetary freedom and property rights were upheld by U.S. courts in tandem with the return to a gold standard, the risk of &quot;panics&quot;, either economic or political in origin, would be minimal in scope to what we&#039;ve seen since the existence of a central bank. 

Let us not forget that the largest economic crisis the world has yet seen - The Great Depression - took place under the watch of that selfsame Central Bank the author now espouses as our only hope and savior, not to mention this latest crisis, which was devised under an even more destructive fiat monetary system with the gung-ho support of Greenspan, Bernanke, and a government bent on borrowing our children&#039;s monetary unit and futures into utter oblivion.

This child-like insistence on believing in the benevolence of central banks, or politicians for that matter, in setting interest rates artificially, or controlling the money supply is cute in its short-sightedness and innocent trust, but dangerous as a toddler with a butcher knife.

Any system that punishes savers with debasement and inflation is NOT a sustainable system! It&#039;s really just that simple. And this notion of a &quot;lender of last resort&quot; that can step in a bail out the &quot;too big to fail&quot; is the very thing that continually encourages malinvestment and inflates ever bigger bubbles in the first place. Without this moral hazard, there wouldn&#039;t be a problem. Investors would realize they have to be responsible, that there&#039;s no free lunch, and they cannot rely on the American taxpayer to bail them out when they get themselves in a pickle. In fact, it is the people at large, the middle class, who would benefit greatly from a return to a TRUE gold standard, for they would be in line to scoop up the assets of faltering companies for pennies on the dollar, rather than having the Fed scoop up the assets and redistribute them to their fatcat buddies without ANY congressional oversight from the people.

I suggest this author rethink his premises and return the drawing board.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a self-regulated market, bubbles cannot last long before they are liquidated and absorbed. Panics, while still possible, are not devastating as this author tries to imagine they would be. If the simple tenants of monetary freedom and property rights were upheld by U.S. courts in tandem with the return to a gold standard, the risk of &#8220;panics&#8221;, either economic or political in origin, would be minimal in scope to what we&#8217;ve seen since the existence of a central bank. </p>
<p>Let us not forget that the largest economic crisis the world has yet seen &#8211; The Great Depression &#8211; took place under the watch of that selfsame Central Bank the author now espouses as our only hope and savior, not to mention this latest crisis, which was devised under an even more destructive fiat monetary system with the gung-ho support of Greenspan, Bernanke, and a government bent on borrowing our children&#8217;s monetary unit and futures into utter oblivion.</p>
<p>This child-like insistence on believing in the benevolence of central banks, or politicians for that matter, in setting interest rates artificially, or controlling the money supply is cute in its short-sightedness and innocent trust, but dangerous as a toddler with a butcher knife.</p>
<p>Any system that punishes savers with debasement and inflation is NOT a sustainable system! It&#8217;s really just that simple. And this notion of a &#8220;lender of last resort&#8221; that can step in a bail out the &#8220;too big to fail&#8221; is the very thing that continually encourages malinvestment and inflates ever bigger bubbles in the first place. Without this moral hazard, there wouldn&#8217;t be a problem. Investors would realize they have to be responsible, that there&#8217;s no free lunch, and they cannot rely on the American taxpayer to bail them out when they get themselves in a pickle. In fact, it is the people at large, the middle class, who would benefit greatly from a return to a TRUE gold standard, for they would be in line to scoop up the assets of faltering companies for pennies on the dollar, rather than having the Fed scoop up the assets and redistribute them to their fatcat buddies without ANY congressional oversight from the people.</p>
<p>I suggest this author rethink his premises and return the drawing board.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://wallstreetpit.com/12705-the-trouble-with-a-gold-standard#comment-85358</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article makes two glaring errors that debunk the whole argument:
1. The article assumes the existence of a central bank - presenting it as a priori. It is actually unnecessary in any monetary system (gold standard or fiat).
2. The article confuses the terms &quot;gold standard&quot; with &quot;gold exchange standard&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article makes two glaring errors that debunk the whole argument:<br />
1. The article assumes the existence of a central bank &#8211; presenting it as a priori. It is actually unnecessary in any monetary system (gold standard or fiat).<br />
2. The article confuses the terms &#8220;gold standard&#8221; with &#8220;gold exchange standard&#8221;</p>
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